For Russia, the big advantage of such engines is that they are very undemanding to fuel. Of course, you should not refuel in dubious places all the time, but from several times of use it is low quality fuel unit will not fail.
Sixteen-valve K4M
This engine with a power of 105 liters. With. installed on seven-seater station wagons and used in a luxury configuration. It has significant differences from its eight-valve counterpart:
- fuel consumption in mixed mode - about 9 liters per 100 kilometers;
- quiet work;
- no vibration.
If you are thinking which unit is better for Largus, then you should carefully consider the option with sixteen valves. It is more complex, so the cost of a car equipped with such a motor will be slightly higher. Maintenance of a sixteen-valve engine will also take you a lot of money, but at the same time you will easily drive over 450 thousand kilometers on it. It is only important to take care of it, listen to the advice of experts at the service station, change components in time and not give too high a load.
Disadvantages of K4M:
- skipping revolutions when using low quality fuel;
- insufficient dynamics;
- expensive spare parts;
- high prices for service in service centers.
If we compare the two engines, then, undoubtedly, the K4M is more profitable, since it does not require frequent valve adjustment. Its shortcomings are not as significant as those of the eight-valve K7M.
Which unit is better to choose
If you want to buy Largus, then you should buy a luxury package or a seven-door model, since in this case you will have a more reliable and modern engine model with sixteen valves under the hood. This is a more practical option, suitable both for traveling in metropolitan areas with a lot of traffic jams, and for driving on the highway.
These K4M engines are produced in Russia (marked P) and in Spain (marked with the letter D in the serial number). Despite the large number of jokes about the domestic auto industry, the build quality of the Russian unit is in no way inferior to the Spanish one. Changes in the work of the production line have led to the fact that the motors produced from the domestic conveyor are absolutely suitable for world standards. This was also noted by Francois Goujon, who is the head of the Power Units company.
Largus with a sixteen-valve engine successfully overcame test drives. The only nuance was the use of the car in the summer, when the engine can withstand the load from the air conditioner on. On the low revs the car goes with some effort, while when accelerating over 90 kilometers per hour, this disadvantage ceases to be felt.
Since October 2017, the Lada Largus station wagon has received a new 16-valve engine with 106 hp. Up to this point, a 16-valve unit with a capacity of 102 hp was installed under the hood of the car. Essentially on Lada Largus they replaced the Renault K4M engine known from Renault Logan with a domestically developed VAZ-21129 engine, which can be found on Lada Vesta, Grant and Kalina.
Structurally new motor for Largus it is an in-line 4-cylinder 16-valve engine with a cast-iron cylinder block and a timing belt. The motor does not have hydraulic lifters. But the “French” fiery motor had hydraulic lifters, but in fact the same cast iron and a timing belt.
The domestic motor is more reliable and does not require high-quality fuel. The manufacturer announced the consumption of AI-92 gasoline. According to AvtoVAZ engineers, the new engine for Largus will make the car a little more economical and dynamic. Actually, not so long ago, the Togliatti auto giant abandoned the French 8-valve K7M engine in favor of the same Russian version of the 8-valve VAZ-11189 engine.
LADA Largus with 106 hp LADA engine. is equipped with a modernized mechanical box Renault gears, designed specifically for the new engine. The gear ratios of the third, fourth and fifth gears have been changed. New power unit allows you to move dynamically at lower engine speeds, while increasing acoustic comfort and reducing fuel consumption. The upgraded gearbox is installed on all models of the Largus family with 16-valve engines.
Price LADA Largus with the new engine has not changed: station wagon costs from 635,400 rubles, van - from 609,800 rubles, LADA version Largus Cross– from 689,900 rubles. This is the cost of models without all sorts of discounts, with which the car will cost much less.
As for the characteristics of Largus with a power unit of 106 hp. (VAZ-21129), then about them in more detail.
Engine Lada Largus 1.6 (106 hp), fuel consumption, dynamics
- Working volume - 1597 cm3
- Number of cylinders / valves - 4/16
- Timing drive - belt
- Cylinder diameter - 82 mm
- Stroke - 75.6 mm
- Power hp / kW - 106/78 at 5800 rpm
- Torque - 148 Nm at 4200 rpm
- Maximum speed - 165 kilometers per hour
- Acceleration to the first hundred - 13.5 seconds
- Fuel consumption in the city - 10.1 liters
- Combined fuel consumption - 7.9 liters
- Fuel consumption on the highway - 6.7 liters
It should be noted that the average fuel consumption in urban areas may be higher. After all, the station wagon is usually used to transport passengers or goods. Naturally, with such operation, fuel consumption will be increased.
AvtoVAZ a few years ago set out to create nice car. A sort of workhorse for the people. Even then, the work of the VAZ alliance with Renault was felt with might and main. Largus is a direct reflection of the joint work. They developed a car based on Logan. The platform is so successful that it produces the Duster crossover, the Sandero hatchback and many Nissan car models.
There were few reworks in Logan to become Largus. Only the suspension was reworked well, but the appearance was slightly changed.
Engines for Largus
The body is the body, but the car must be set in motion by something. The manufacturer did not reinvent the wheel and installed engines from Logan on Largus:
- K7M with 8 valves - 86 hp;
- K4M with 16 valves - 105 hp
But, there is a domestic development, the engine from Vesta - VAZ 11189. It is also put on Largus. In fact, this is an engine from Grants, only converted to Euro 5 standards.
We are interested in the last 2 engines: French with 16 valves and ours with 8 valves. It is interesting to know what reviews motorists write on Largus with an engine from VAZ. And of course, compare them with reviews on a 16-valve foreign-made engine.
Reviews
Alexander Tatishchev, Yaroslavl, Comparison of Kalina and Largus with a 16-valve engine
I was lucky to be the owner of 2 cars of our production: Kalina 2 with an 8 valve engine and Largus with a new 16 valve engine. Well, as new - borrowed. Therefore, for fun, I decided to compare the 16 valve engine and Largus with the VAZ engine and write a review about my feelings.
Note! The VAZ 11189 engine with 8 valves is also installed on Kalina.
Kalina often travels with me fully loaded, because the type of my professional occupation is construction. It happens that she has to carry half a ton. Duck here Kalina on the engine 11189 with 8 valves is quite frisky. Even when climbing, it is easy to overtake. Our engineers have built an excellent 8 valve engine, to my mind.
Largus will have more carrying capacity, but the weight of the car will also be greater. I even did a little tuning, but it doesn't help. The car does not go stupidly, there is no playfulness even when empty. Therefore, the K4M engine on the Lada Largus with 16 valves deserves not the most flattering reviews.
I'm seriously thinking about changing Largus to another car. You can even Kalina, only newer.
Ivan Kulba, Lada Kalina 2 with VAZ 11189 engine, Nizhny Novgorod
For the last 2 years I have been driving Kalina 2. I live in the countryside, so I carry a lot of cargo, both for household and for work. AT general car always loaded. I did not experience any problems during operation. Periodically, though, I had to adjust the valves in the company's service. Well, standard MOT. I dashed off 20 thousand in 2 years. I know that even if 11189 with 8 valves breaks down, its repair will not be expensive. I use semi-synthetic oil. A neighbor has a Lada Largus with a VAZ 11189 engine and his reviews are not so flattering. Once he gave me a ride in his car, empty. Duck Largus has no dynamics at all. I don’t even know how people tolerate such a stupid response to the gas. Perhaps the processing of the engine under the Euro 5 standard affected, but the car should not lose so much in dynamics. It is good that the amount of repair if that will be the same. What about 16 valve Largus? There repairs will cost a penny.
Note! Simplicity of design is the main distinguishing feature of the VAZ 11189 engine, compared to a 16-valve foreign-made engine. If the latter breaks down, repairs will be significantly expensive. True, the French engine is more modern than ours.
Nikolai the Last, Lada Largus 1.6 (105 hp) 2014, Ulyanovsk
In principle, the car is not bad, quite roomy. But there is one unpleasant feature. The designers seem to have agreed with the oilmen, or the engineers do not know how to make calculations! The fact is that the fuel consumption of 6 liters. 100 km outside the city can only be reached at a speed of 60 km/h. But will there be those who want to trudge at such a snail's pace? We have dead roads, but not to the same extent. Such consumption should be on this car only at 90 km / h. Although the manufacturer claims that the 16 valve engine is economical, this is not the case in practice. I don’t know what engine chip tuning Lada Largus needs to work on positive feedback. And the dynamics - it's like it's not there. When the air conditioner is on in the summer, the already not frisky car still loses its dynamics. As for the standard speed of 90 km / h, then it has an engine of 8.5 liters per hundred. No good!
Note! The A/C compressor is clutch-driven from the engine and can eat up some of its power, resulting in increased fuel consumption.
Alexander Kisly, Lada Largus for 5 seats, 8-valve engine, Astrakhan
A new car is a good purchase. Everything should be better old foreign car. But after her in her native Lada there is not enough in the cabin useful little things. You adapt to it. In principle, Largus is a good compromise between cost and quality.
As for the review on the Lada Largus VAZ 11189 engine, it scares me high flow fuel. The data is somewhat different from what the manufacturer claims. At a speed of 130 km / h on the highway out as much as 10 liters per hundred. It's too much. But I did not load the car to the eyeballs. And what will happen at full load. As for the motor part, it is worth noting that the 8 valve version is rather weak for Largus. It needs a more powerful motor. But according to rumors, even a 16-valve engine is not enough for a dynamic ride.
About the 5th step. They say they write that the engine roars on it, but there is no speed. I have a speed of 100 km / h at 3 thousand on the tachometer. At 4 thousand - 120 km / h.
Note! The manufacturer claims that on the highway, the VAZ 11189 engine with 8 valves should have a flow rate slightly below 7 liters. In the city 9-10 liters. Well, the data is a little different from reality.
Nikita Khrapsky, Lada Largus 2013, engine - 16-valve, Arkhangelsk
When buying a car, I was afraid. Still, Zhiguli have a bad reputation. But the car has been serving faithfully in construction matters for 2.5 years. Helps to carry loads and not light ones. To the eyeballs I don’t particularly load, but I don’t spoil the car either.
16 valve K4M engine on my Lada Largus deserves good feedback since there were no breakdowns during operation. I didn’t drive it much - only 43 thousand km. After reading stories about the timing belt is already getting ready to change it. Still, I don’t want to get into an expensive valve repair due to its breakage. Well, everything I have is according to the manual. I even go through maintenance a little earlier always so that 2-3 thousand the car does not reach the MOT deadline. So I warn her against breakage. I don't drive much though.
As for the dynamics, I'm used to it. Although after a foreign car the first time was not easy. But what to do - this is how the engineers created this car. It remains only to use. He is worth his money.
Ivan Sytko, Lada Largus 2014, 16-valve engine, Novosibirsk
I have a car for 2 years. Complaints? Domestic same. There are shortcomings in many areas, but they are small, and somehow I'm already used to it. It is a sin to find fault with a manufacturer who offers new car for that kind of money, and even his own.
As for the dynamics of the 16 valve engine, there is enough of it in Largus in urban traffic. In principle, it is comfortable to ride on the highway, but up to 115 km / h. If you want to go higher, you need to change the gear ratio of the 5th gear. The 92nd gasoline goes to Largus with a bang, although the manual says to use 95. But the latter has a lot of additives - I don’t want to spoil fuel system I'd rather save the injectors. Once I poured bodya 95 in some backwoods, I don’t want to remember about it. I don't know how the motor held up. Probably, the other would have already broken from such vibrations. In general, I cleaned the entire fuel system.
As for the pros:
- high maintainability;
- a lot of spare parts and they are cheap;
- reliable engine.
Flaws:
- fuel consumption is higher than the manufacturer claims;
- engine noise is heard at medium and high speeds.
In general, the expense hits the wallet a little, you get used to ergonomics, but otherwise there are no complaints.
Mikhail Prokopiev, Largus 2012 with a 16-valve engine, Tambov
I was among the first buyers of Largus in the city. I chose the 16 valve version because I needed a powerful and reliable motor. I travel a lot. I work in forestry, so I have to travel long distances.
It is not a pity to stagger a domestic car - it can always be repaired. This quality was taken over by Largus. The engine is good, but lacks traction on the track. Yes, and the city is weak. But I rarely go there, so maybe its suffocation only seems to me. I read the reviews - it does not seem.
The timing belt was changed at 60 thousand. But the noise was already heard at 20 thousand. I don’t know how I didn’t get to repair the valves. I was lucky, because I read about him later.
Summing up
The reviews presented about the main engines of Largus - the 8-valve VAZ 11189 and the foreign 16-valve, indicate that a slightly more powerful engine is needed for full-fledged dynamics for the car. Perhaps the engineers conceived a calm and obedient car, but in fact it came out very sluggish.
The weakness of the engines, even the 16-valve version, is evidenced by the fact that they consume fuel a little more than stated. Almost everyone complains about it. For comparison, you can take Kalina 2 from the first review with the same 8-valve engine. According to the user, he goes confidently and dynamically, which Largus lacks.
You can apply tuning to both motors, but this is an additional cost. In addition, the warranty will fly off on a new car. It's easier to buy a different car and not suffer. Although some like to dig deeper into the iron. An 8-valve engine can be suffocated by environmental control, and a 16-valve engine, in general, has wide chip tuning options that allow you to increase power to 150 hp. With.
Largus with a 16-valve K4M engine with a power of 105 hp. was more popular than the version with an 84-horsepower eight-valve K7M engine of Romanian production, which was frankly weak. Why "was"? But because the transition to Euro 5 was a verdict: to drive this engine into new standards means to put up with the inevitable loss of power and torque, and he is not a hero anyway. In addition, it is not produced at AVTOVAZ - therefore, it falls into the category of foreign currency components.
An elegant move was found, and for rubles: under the hood, the native VAZ eight-valve VAZ‑1118 was registered. Largus with such an engine costs from 497,500 rubles for a van and from 524,500 rubles for a station wagon.
The engine was assigned its own index VAZ‑11189, since the supports and the entire set of attachments (power steering pump, generator, air conditioning compressor) were changed. But the essence is the same: this engine with a lightweight connecting rod and piston group is well known to the owners of front-wheel drive Ladas and Datsuns as a reliable and easy-to-maintain unit.
What did you get regarding the foreign K7M engine? Power 87 “horses” (+3 hp), maximum torque 140 Nm (+17 Nm). The maximum speed of the five-seater station wagon increased by 2 km/h, the van and the seven-seat station wagon - by 3 km/h. Up to a hundred five-seater Largus accelerates faster by three tenths of a second, a seven-seater - by a second.
Another advantage: the French engine requires AI‑95 gasoline, while ours is officially allowed 92nd. The fuel consumption in the service documents is the same, but I dare to assume that in life the VAZ engine will be less voracious.
To install the VAZ-11189 engine on the Largus, a re-arrangement was required: the battery was moved, the fuse box was changed, moved to the right wing expansion tank coolant. In its place is now the air filter housing from Vesta. The air intake-resonator, of course, is also a new model. Otherwise, hoses, lines, wiring harnesses are laid.
Paired with the new engine is a 5-speed JR5 gearbox, designed for torque up to 200 Nm. She is familiar from the cars of the Renault-Nissan alliance - they put her, for example, on Sandero Stepway. The box is adapted to Russian motor: matched gear pairs with other gear ratios. The drive of the switching mechanism is cable. But the clutch is in charge of hydraulics.
In addition, the car received a new clutch housing, common with the XRAY model, as well as a driven disc and a LuK basket.
I managed to knock out a five-seater Largus with a new engine that had just rolled off the assembly line for a short trip. If you do not open the hood, nothing gives out a domestic unit. No characteristic noises, vibrations, twitches. It is clear from acceleration that it is not a sixteen-valve, but the car drives faster than before. And it slows down well, and you feel the drive with the new amplifier right away.
They say power sells a car and torque wins the race. Largus is clearly not for competition, but in everyday life the torque reserve will not hurt. And according to this indicator, the VAZ‑11189 engine is preferable to its predecessor.
By the way, the 16-valve K4M engine is now also being assembled in Togliatti, and it is also included in the Euro-5 standards. Retribution for the environment - a drop in power from 105 to 102 hp, and torque - from 148 to 145 Nm.
Since they took up the engines of the Largus family, why not reconsider the level of equipment? Now all cars have athermal glass, saloon air filters and a warning light for an unfastened seat belt. Instead of a cigarette lighter - a universal socket for 12 V. The wiper mechanism has been improved, thanks to which it was possible to get rid of the "French tear" - a characteristic smudge in the center windshield. AT brake system appeared more efficient vacuum booster- ATE company. The configurations were also slightly corrected: earlier, only the Lux modifications were equipped with the 16-valve K4M engine, now they can also be found on the Norm.
In general, concern for the environment helped Largus improve its power characteristics and not lose its price attractiveness.
AVTOVAZ continues to localize borrowed LADA models. How the most popular minivan Largus feels, having changed a foreign unit to a Russian analogue, understands long test drive Lada Club.
Changes not visible at first sight
We took this LADA Largus Cross for a test drive in order to check the integration of the Russian 16-valve engine and the domestic gearbox on the borrowed Dacia platform Logan MCV. The localization process at AVTOVAZ has been going on since the launch of this car in 2012. Albeit slowly, but the main foreign units are being replaced by Russian ones. The question arises: Is it good or bad? Of course, a foreign motor pulls on the bottoms and is recognized as a rather resourceful unit, however, Russian drivers are closer in spirit to the domestic version with our sixteen-valve. For decades of its operation in Russia, drivers and mechanics have learned all its nuances. In addition, working in conjunction with a VAZ box, this couple should be more suitable for a new family minivan. We decided to check all these assumptions during our test drive.
In the fight for comfort
For a cleaner comparison, we rode one of the first LADA Largus for several days. The same herd of 102 hp, incomprehensible to Russian “economists”, with three extra “mares”, because of which all car owners have to spend more on transport tax. A short test reminded us of the main claim to gear ratio traction gearbox. Even on the first test drives, journalists almost unanimously noted an overestimated number of revolutions at low speeds. For example, at a cruising speed of 120 km / h, the unit spun up to 4000 rpm. This adversely affected fuel consumption, forcing owners to spend more fuel for the same 100 km. In addition, if the owner of the minivan got on the freeway, then at a speed of 150 km / h the engine practically went into the “cut-off” and the tachometer needle loomed in the red zone. The Russian Kulibins were able to defeat this ailment by replacing two gears of the gearbox. This upgrade can be made without dismantling the motor, but simply by unscrewing the left wheel and removing the protective cover. You can learn more about these manipulations in our old review materials.
With the transition to the Russian engine and gearbox, the problem with overspeed and increased consumption was automatically removed. But the high-speed Russian engine with a volume of 1.6 liters and a power of 106 hp. has its drawbacks for this body. This can be best understood in the summer and when the cabin is fully loaded. If a foreign unit easily starts at traffic lights with a slight pressure on the gas pedal, then our motor must be untwisted in advance. This is especially noticeable when the air conditioner is turned on. In this mode, part of the power goes to create a favorable atmosphere in the cabin and the domestic 16-valve valve does not feel so comfortable. The most cruel test for him will be the presence of all passengers in the cabin and a loaded trailer in the back. In this case, before releasing the clutch pedal, the driver will have to spin the engine well, raising the arrow to 2000 rpm.
Speed advantage
Losing at the start, our power unit wins back points at high speeds. When reaching speeds above 100 km / h, the car feels free on the track, without forcing the driver to nervously watch fuel consumption. In general, LADA Largus conquers higher speed modes from 120 to 150 km/h at 3500-4500 rpm. This allows you to calmly accelerate without flinching from the roar of the engine under the hood. Of course, driving faster than 140 km/h on Russian roads is dangerous, but for residents of Moscow and St. Petersburg, these speeds are not prohibitive. On developing toll highways maximum speed limited to 130 km/h, which means that the flow rate will be in the region of 150-160 km/h. Imagine what a foreign motor will have to experience at these speeds, working for a long time at maximum speed. In the Russian version, LADA Largus is ready for such feats without detrimental consequences for the engine.
As for the choice of engine for the Cross version, here we are inclined to the original version with a borrowed engine. For cross-country driving, high speeds are not required; stable traction at medium speeds is more appreciated here. In addition, small mud "traps" and stretches of sand near small rivers do not tolerate excessive wheel spin. To overcome them, low-speed motors with stable traction at 2000 rpm are better suited. Unfortunately, now it will not be possible to get lost in the choice of Russian and foreign motors. AVTOVAZ completely transferred LADA Largus to domestic engines internal combustion. But do not forget that this miivan with a full-fledged third row of seats has received recognition as the most enduring LADA product. And this means that with a strong desire to become the owner of a foreign unit, on secondary market you can find a lot good options this car.