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It is clear at first glance, and the Datsun He Do test confirms that “He” is not for money bags. Will that handful of coins (from 329 to 400 thousand rubles) that we ordinary citizens have smile at him?

VIDEO Datsun He Do test at the end of the article.

I looked at the Datsun On Do from a distance between the duelists. He had just rolled out of the car wash and seemed to radiate optimism.

On the right is a Datsun assembled by AvtoVAZ. "He", unlike "Grants", with other shock absorbers and springs, reinforced stabilizers roll stability, improved sound insulation of the floor and engine compartment, other door seals.

Banzai, Lada Granta! With this comparison with losing buyers Russian car, Datsun On Do seems to shiver a little, or is it unwiped drops that rolled into the wide gaps between the headlights and the hood?

It cannot be said that a crowd of washers and their clients immediately gathered around the Datsun On Do, clicking their tongues at the sight of the Russian-Japanese novelty. Business indifference reigned all around.

Slits in the front, slits in the back - inside and out, why did they call "Grant" He Do?

“It's a Datsun On Do,” I exclaimed, without any hope of getting a discount for washing it. Finally, open hood managed to arouse the interest of the director of the repair shop, which is located nearby.

The director, seeing the 8-valve 1.6-liter engine familiar from the Lada Samara, our 87-horsepower, hit a long story about the familiar problems of a five-speed manual gearbox. It was already clear to everyone that the Datsun On Do had the same old VAZ (only with cable drive), and you will suffer with it. At the words "fall apart", I closed the hood and said goodbye to the people's expert.

Incidentally, at first glance engine compartment, you understand that you got into the kitchen to a neat hostess. Here all the tubes are in the right size, they don’t hang out, they are pressed with clips, not like that of their sister, the slut Lada Grants.

If you believe the responses to, slovenliness in fine-tuning and assembling the car leads to the fact that “almost ruined the whole family, frayed brake pipe about the clutch cable.

Nissan paid AvtoVAZ for fine-tuning the Datsun On Do, everything should be arigato here, my laundered test object throws its trump cards on the table.

Landing in the Datsun On Do, as in the Grant, is unusually high for me. I did not feel a denser stuffing of the seats. After a couple of hours of driving, my back hurts. The steering wheel is thin, instruments, like instruments, once you get used to it, you can use it. The review is normal, the mirrors are comfortable, there is a separate one for the passenger in the folding visor.

Sorry, no matter how much Nissan pays AvtoVAZ, turning Grant into Datsun On Do, the result will be predictable - as they say in the east, fleeing from a snake, a hunter will see a tiger. I imagine this beast in the form of domestic components. I wrote about them many times in the hope that, finally, the problem of localization in our modern automotive parts, but for "Grants" for so many years nothing new has been proposed.

On the steering wheel, instead of a boat, there are Datsun emblems, and the center console seems to be original, but the microclimate control unit is from Kalina, the trip computer display is from Grants. And still the same smell of VAZ synthetics ... Airbags for the driver and passenger.

My Datsun He Do test showed that this is the same “Grant”, which was finally provided with pre-production fine-tuning. Once I told myself that at the familiar sound of howling transmission, I will not say anything, just slam the door of this car from the outside. But in this case, the interest to come to the Datsun On Do test turned out to be stronger. I ride in it, shifting gears, and the sound of the Lada Samara, familiar from the 80s, buzzes in my stomach. Well, how much can you put up with it? And why would the Japanese build their reputation on a bomb of our obsolete designs and components?

My first Japanese car was a right-hand drive Toyota Corolla with 200,000 miles on it. Oh, how sweetly the gears shifted there. The Russian Japanese "Datsun On Do" never dreamed of this, of course, he tries, but he stumbles every now and then, especially at the bottom.

You can also experience nostalgic-warm feelings for the howling transmission. Then you stop noticing light plugs of the gear lever. The motor seems even frisky, and Datsun On Do moves around the cones without demolitions.

Datsun On Do: moderate rolls, do not lead to the buildup of the car, the suspension travel is sufficient to keep the road with four wheels in a turn.

I have already complimented the driving performance of the Lada Grants on the Myachkovo ring road. The Datsun On Do have them even better. The steering wheel has a good effect on fine-tuning the car for some money, it is with a new gearless electric booster. The return force is higher than in the Grant, the Datsun On Do does not need to be taxied, it keeps its course perfectly and is controlled at high speeds.

I didn’t like the bagel itself - after Renault Sandero it seems thin. This is the only thing that annoyed me while riding around the cones. Otherwise, the Russian-Japanese behaved well on the snake. He did not roll excessively, did not throw his nose or tail, passed the snake rather with neutral steering. A good simulator for counter-emergency training.

Suspension rear elastic transverse beam, front "McPherson".
full size spare wheel in a niche frees up space for liters in the trunk.

Front metal sheet closes engine compartment. Clearance - 174 mm.

Taking a country apple out of the bag and inhaling the aroma of Russian nature from it, you are distracted from the loud voice of the VAZ engine, the nauseating smell of a cheap salon. Having got used to it, that is, forgetting that there is a sea of ​​other cars, I begin to compare, returning to my former Samara. In terms of soundproofing, the Lada Granta loses to her. And Datsun On Do in this sense, well done - nothing creaks here, all panels are tightly pressed, the interior is well isolated from road noise.

Back rear seat continuous folds, the central seat belt (there are three of them in the back) can hold the load.

The ground clearance of the Datsun On Do, like that of Chinese all-terrain vehicles, is 174 millimeters. With such a clearance, you can drive to any of the gambling zones currently operating in Russia. Even if the most deadly roads are laid to them, the Datsun On Do will bring the winnings in a huge trunk of 530 liters without exhausting the joyful riders. It’s even hard to imagine how the pursuers can catch up with him. It accelerates to hundreds in 12.6 seconds (I tested it myself), and when it gets off the asphalt, it will rush even more confidently, the long-stroke suspension will work without rebound, allowing you to confidently ride over bumps.

My prediction: "Lada Granta" can be brought to Datsun On Do standards. And then "On Do" will have to compete with "Logan" and "Sandero". For example, I would take Sandero.

So, with the money of Nissan, improving the Grant, the Renault-Nissan-AvtoVAZ alliance built the Datsun On Do. I'm not ready to say that the time was well spent on this. Maybe you shouldn't have risked your reputation Japanese car, but simply to bring to mind the same "Grant", leaving her maiden name. But this would have been an even greater misunderstanding for the Japanese who paid the money.

P.S. The new exchange rate of the ruble in November against the euro-dollar did not change my attitude towards the Datsun On Do, only I added a question mark in the title of this article.

The hosts of the VIDEO are Igor Sirin and Petr Menshikh.

DATSUN ON-DO

At the same time, the technical filling of the cars is the same. Therefore, we have in fact a product of the Togliatti automobile plant, slightly seasoned with Japanese marketing sauce. But under it, as already mentioned, the same aggregate basis as that of Kalina. At the same time, a lot of things in the "Japanese" have been improved compared to their Russian counterparts. In addition to the transformed appearance and interior, many components, mechanisms and individual parts of the sedan and hatchback have undergone a thorough revision.

According to one of their Datsun technical representatives, more than 1,000 elements of the machine survived the fine-tuning. Indeed, compared with the same and "Kalina" japanese sedan and the hatchback have become noticeably quieter on the go - their sound insulation is more effective, the engine is idling smoother and quieter, mechanical boxes partially got rid of the characteristic transmission “howl”, and the gears turn on more clearly and with less effort. In general, in Datsun on-DO and mi-Do, attention to detail is felt in comparison with their Russian prototypes.

However, as the classics said, you can’t go far on the carriage of the past. After all, from machines that were developed more than 15 years ago, it is difficult to make a competitive modern car. All the flaws and shortcomings of their design invariably pop up in /mi-Do. So, for example, many owners are strained, like in domestic prototypes, by swinging open 90 degrees front doors. Not only can they be easily damaged by an obstacle in the immediate vicinity. And if it’s an expensive car parked nearby, then it’s even easier than ever to get money.

The body is given a factory warranty of 6 years from. On the one hand, very good. On the other hand, some specimens of Datsun on-DO and mi-Do may bloom with rusty spots after the first Russian winter. And not only the characteristic elements of the body, such as wheel arches and sills, but almost all the details - doors, hood, fenders and even the roof. Yes, yes, this sometimes happens, although it does not have the character of an epidemic. Often the trapezoid fails (1500 rubles), the door locks do not work well and are fixed, it is quickly scratched windshield. Most likely, this is the fault of allies. But the consumer still has to deal with it.

Electrical failures also occur. Moreover, they intersect with similar problems on the "Grant" and "Kalina". It can zap the block, the electric motor of the “wipers” fails, or the lamps in the lighting fixtures burn out at enviable intervals. By the way, one electrical incident also happened on the test Datsun on-DO. Didn't want to turn off the fog lights. Even when it was, the ignition was turned off, and the car was armed, the fog lights continued to shine. Switching the node on and off again did nothing.

I had to remove the negative terminal from the battery and wait until the morning, because it was already late in the evening. The next day, having dismantled the block for switching light modes, they put it back - they still continue to “burn”. In general, we decided to pull out the appropriate fuses, but before that we checked again - the headlights turned off by themselves. As the servicemen would say, a “walking” malfunction ... After that, I no longer used the foglights until I returned the car to the dealer.

As for the engines, on-DO gasoline 8-valve engines with a volume of 1.6 liters with a capacity of 82 and 87 liters were installed. with., as well as a 106-horsepower 16-valve. At the same time, mi-DO was content with only an 87-strong “four”. Eight-valve units are generally reliable. True, on some instances of Datsun increased consumption oils. Valve covers can leak with age. However, it costs mere pennies - just install a new gasket or put the cover on. The timing belt is prescribed to be changed every 75,000 km, but mechanics recommend thinking about updating it after 50,000 km. It is advisable to change the water pump (2,300 rubles) at the same time as timing belt- it usually fails after 100,000 km. The fact is that a leaky pump can jam and then cut off the teeth on the driven belt.

If such a malfunction happens with a 106-horsepower engine, then the valves will meet the pistons and overhaul engine is provided. This "four", by the way, is noticeably more capricious compared to the "eight-valve".

On all engines, spark plugs and ignition coils, oxygen sensors (1900 rubles each) and mass air flow (from 2800 rubles) periodically fail. Often the ECU engine control unit is buggy, because of which the engine suddenly stalls and refuses to start again. Over time, crankshaft seals begin to leak and camshaft- well, if the front. To replace the rear crankshaft sensor, you will have to remove the clutch.

By the way, the clutch assembly usually nurses up to 100,000 km. True, sometimes by 30,000 km it may be necessary to replace the clutch disc. Although it is better to update the whole mechanism with a basket and release bearing. In a five-speed, second gear synchronizers traditionally wear out. This sore was not only on the Grant and Kalina, but also on the VAZ cars of the tenth family. That's heredity. But repairing the box is inexpensive - from 12,000 rubles.

More than three years have passed since the moment when Datsun cars appeared on the market. Therefore, according to Russian law, these cars are officially considered second-hand. The experts of the AvtoVzglyad portal found out how problematic Japanese sedans and hatchbacks of Russian origin are in operation.

For many, it is not a secret that the Datsun on-DO is a sedan that has been turned in appearance. LADA Granta, and mi-Do is an improved version of the domestic LADA Kalina, while the technical filling of the cars is the same. Therefore, we have in fact a product of the Togliatti automobile plant, slightly seasoned with Japanese marketing sauce. But under it, as already mentioned, the same aggregate basis as that of Grants and Kalina. At the same time, a lot of things in the "Japanese" have been improved compared to their Russian counterparts. In addition to the transformed appearance and interior, many components, mechanisms and individual parts of the sedan and hatchback have undergone a thorough revision.

According to one of their Datsun technical representatives, more than 1,000 elements of the machine survived the fine-tuning. Indeed, compared with the same "Grant" and "Kalina", the Japanese sedan and hatchback have become noticeably quieter on the go - their sound insulation is more efficient, the engine is idling smoother and quieter, the mechanical boxes have partially got rid of the characteristic transmission "howl", and the gears turn on more clearly and with less effort. In general, in Datsun on-DO and mi-Do, attention to detail is felt in comparison with their Russian prototypes.

However, as the classics said, you can’t go far on the carriage of the past. After all, it is difficult to make a competitive modern car out of cars that were developed more than 15 years ago. All the flaws and shortcomings of their design invariably pop up in the Datsun on-DO / mi-Do. So, for example, many owners are strained, like in domestic prototypes, by swinging open 90 degrees front doors. Not only can they be easily damaged by an obstacle in the immediate vicinity. And if it’s an expensive car parked nearby, then it’s even easier than ever to get money.

Body comes with a 6 year factory warranty. through corrosion. On the one hand, very good. On the other hand, some specimens of Datsun on-DO and mi-Do may bloom with rusty spots after the first Russian winter. And not only the characteristic elements of the body, such as wheel arches and sills, but almost all the details - doors, hood, fenders and even the roof. Yes, yes, this sometimes happens, although it does not have the character of an epidemic. Often the windshield wiper trapezoid (1500 rubles) fails, the door locks do not work well and are fixed, the windshield is quickly scratched. Most likely, this is the fault of allies. But the consumer still has to deal with it.

Electrical failures also occur. Moreover, they intersect with similar problems on the "Grant" and "Kalina". The climate control unit may be moping, the wipers electric motor may fail, or the lamps in the lighting fixtures burn out at enviable intervals. By the way, one electrical incident also happened on the test Datsun on-DO. Didn't want to turn off fog lights. Even when the engine was turned off, the ignition was turned off, and the car was armed, the fog lights continued to shine. Switching the node on and off again did nothing.

I had to remove the negative terminal from the battery and wait until the morning, because it was already late in the evening. The next day, having dismantled the block for switching light modes, they put it back - the foglights still continue to “burn”. In general, we decided to pull out the appropriate fuses, but before that we checked again - the headlights turned off by themselves. As the servicemen would say, a “walking” malfunction ... After that, I no longer used the foglights until I returned the car to the dealer.

As for the engines, on-DO gasoline 8-valve engines with a volume of 1.6 liters with a capacity of 82 and 87 liters were installed. with., as well as a 106-horsepower 16-valve. At the same time, mi-DO was content with only an 87-strong “four”. Eight-valve units are generally reliable. True, on some instances of Datsun, increased oil consumption was noticed. Valve covers can leak with age. However, the repair costs mere pennies - just install a new gasket or put the cover on the sealant. The timing belt is prescribed to be changed every 75,000 km, but mechanics recommend thinking about updating it after 50,000 km. It is advisable to change the water pump (2,300 rubles) along with the timing belt - it usually fails after 100,000 km. The fact is that a leaky pump can jam and then cut off the teeth on the driven belt.

If such a malfunction occurs with a 106-horsepower engine, then the valves will meet with the pistons and the engine will be overhauled. This "four", by the way, is noticeably more capricious in operation compared to the "eight-valve".

On all engines, spark plugs and ignition coils, oxygen sensors (1900 rubles each) and mass air flow (from 2800 rubles) periodically fail. Often the ECU engine control unit is buggy, because of which the engine suddenly stalls and refuses to start again. Over time, the crankshaft and camshaft oil seals begin to leak - it’s good if the front ones. To replace the rear crankshaft sensor, you will have to remove the clutch.

By the way, the clutch assembly usually nurses up to 100,000 km. True, on Datsuns, sometimes by 30,000 km it may be necessary to replace the clutch disc. Although it is better to update the entire mechanism with a basket and release bearing. The five-speed “mechanics” traditionally wear second gear synchronizers. This sore was not only on the Grant and Kalina, but also on the VAZ cars of the tenth family. That's heredity. But repairing the box is inexpensive - from 12,000 rubles.

The Jatco automatic transmission, which at first was installed only on hatchbacks, and since the fall of 2016 on Datsun sedans, is ancient, but hassle-free. You only need to change the oil in it every 60,000 km, and it will easily outlive the engine.

The suspension of Datsun on-DO and mi-Do is simple in design, energy intensive and durable. At risk are rear wheel bearings, which nurse 50,000 km. But the front endure twice as long. If it chimes steering rack, it is enough just to tighten the locknuts with a special wrench. True, the electric amplifier sometimes fails - the mechanism suddenly stops working, but after a while it can again be in service as if nothing had happened.

... In general, both Datsuns cannot boast of exemplary reliability. However, even pensioners and students can afford the maintenance of a sedan and hatchback, and spare parts cost mere pennies compared to foreign cars. After all, we repeat once again, this is, in fact, the same LADA Granta and Kalina.

➖ Color quality
➖ Build Quality
➖ Manageability
➖ Frequent problems with side windows

pros

➕ Roomy trunk
➕ High ground clearance
➕ Dynamics

Advantages and disadvantages of Datsun on-DO 2018-2019 in a new body identified based on reviews real owners. More detailed pros and cons of Datsun on-DO with mechanics and automatic can be found in the stories below.

Owner reviews

Impressions from a car worth half a million deteriorated six months later, when rust began to climb on all four doors of the cabin. Next are the thresholds, today I found rust on inside front hood. In general, iron rots earlier than on the Soviet Zhiguli, which began to rot after 3 years of operation.

Video review

The car is worth the money, but only in 2014. The quality has not changed over time, but the price has grown significantly. This car is not my first, there were 2 fours VAZ 2104 and VAZ 21111. Of course, Datsun he-DO is better in terms of comfort, but I haven’t seen worse in assembly and painting. The whole salon rattles, the paint falls off in layers, they are rude in the car dealership and do not accept claims, they blame everything on the owner.

Kuzma Gerasimov, drives a Datsun on-DO 1.6 (87 hp) MT 2014

Normal car, for 60,000 km nothing but oil has changed. Auto working in taxi mode all day. I skated the winter with a bang, the winding was without problems, the signaling was native without a car factory, I changed the oil after 10,000 km, I only poured 5/40 synthetics nord myself Belgium.

Kurt, drives a Datsun on-DO 1.6 (87 hp) MT 2015

I have it-DO in the Trust configuration, I took a VAZ 2114 to replace it. I was pleased with the power steering, lighting, trunk volume. The dynamics are good. At the second thousand kilometers, the engine malfunction lamp turned on on the dashboard. Already mileage of 9,000 km, the malfunction did not betray itself. I operate in St. Petersburg, I drive along the Ring Road. It behaves very unstable at speed - it sways noticeably to the left and right. If rutting is present, then you can generally lose control.

The side windows don't go all the way down. The interior mirror is wretched — nothing is visible, you can’t change it for a panoramic one — the sun visors interfere. There is not enough turn signal in the mirrors, the buzzer for turning on the turns is tiring, you have to turn on the turn signal just before the turn, if only to listen to it less. With a sharp acceleration, especially with slipping, the engine can abruptly drop to the minimum speed, which, when overtaking and especially when turning left at a traffic light, can cause an accident.

Sergey Fluerar, review about Datsun on-DO 1.6 (87 hp) on the mechanics of 2015

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I took it in January 2017 in the Dream 1 configuration. Quite a decent device (after the VAZ 15). The box buzzes like everyone else, the brake pads whistle, the stove podglyuchivaet (it blows in the wrong direction in auto mode).

Consumption until the run-in and only the city — 12.5 liters. I liked one more feature - foam rubber in the left central deflector - supposedly technological feature. I also noticed that the taillights fog up in the cold after washing and fog lights. In frosts at -30 degrees, there is not enough effort to open the rear left door, you need to help with your hands.

Review of Datsun on-DO 1.6 mechanics 2016

So far, the impressions are only positive, I have only had a car for 2 weeks, and so far I have dashed off 300 km. There is a running car, and I also get used to it. I can say that the pair of engine and gearbox does not work badly. The climate is very cool: the weather was from +15 to +28, and he works at "5".

Clearance is good, especially on our dead roads. The suspension pleases with a balance of stiffness and softness, it definitely earns on “4”, a kind of average. I'm getting used to the wheel. At Datsun he-DO he is electric. Capacity and permeability will rate a solid "5".

The owner drives a Datsun on-DO 1.6 (87 hp) 2016 manual transmission.

"Hodovka" Datsun

The uncomplicated scheme of the chassis of the Datsun on-Do and models, copied from the domestic one, has high reliability and efficiency. At the same time, the price tag for its service is more than moderate. And the initial focus on the domestic market and its conditions only added points to the asset of the chassis of the "Japanese". However, ideal option there is no breakdown in the suspension of Dastun - a matter of time, although not soon.

Chassis Dastun on-Do - bottom view (front section).

Troubleshooting for Datsun

This is within the power of the driver himself, since the layout is simple and well-established. Therefore, it is by no means necessary to go to a certified service station. In addition, a significant part of the he-Do malfunctions is eliminated on its own, and the repair process is described in detail in the mi-Do service manual.

Suspension Datsun on-Do and mi-Do - a general view from below.

Diagnostics of probable breakdowns is carried out in accordance with the available table.