Lada xray 1.8 shakes when starting. Lada Xray with manual transmission

Tell me, please, does your Xray also accumulate water in the doors after rain or washing? This is a problem in my car.

AR: No, this has not been observed. There are only comments on the door seals: the thresholds are wet and dirty in wet weather, and dusty in dry weather.

Gennady

I would like to know about the air conditioner from Vesta: how it behaves, whether it cools enough in the heat of +30 degrees, whether the engine “plants” in urban conditions and on the highway.

AR: Cools enough. For example, in the heat above +30 degrees, the car stood for more than half an hour in the sun (the outboard temperature sensor showed +51 degrees at the same time!), And the air conditioning system did an excellent job.

Bukreev Oleg Sergeevich

I am the owner of the car Lada Vesta. When you start the car in the morning and start moving at low speed, a distinct crack is heard lasting about two seconds. I tried to find the source for a long time and found out that this sound is emitted by the ABS system (when I pulled out the fuse and started moving without it, there was no noise, as soon as I inserted it and drove it, it appeared). Tell me, is there such a sound on "resource" cars?

AR: This is not observed on any of our "resource" Lads.

Akutin N.A.

Does the Xray have engine knock when shifting gears? How does the air conditioner work at low speeds (in traffic jams)? Does the car occasionally jerk when starting off?

AR: We have no questions about the efficiency of the air conditioning system at low engine speeds. The periodic crush of the “robot” is yes, such a sin for AMT is found. The car moves unevenly, which looks like an abandoned clutch pedal - but this only applies to a smooth start, there is no such thing with a dynamic one. No detonation when changing gears.

Aferenok Viktor Anatolievich

I would like to know: 11,300 rubles is one pipe exhaust system Or with a neutralizer?

AR: This amount cost us the middle part of the exhaust tract (resonator with bellows coupling). Vesta's converter is combined with the exhaust manifold.

Uzlov A.V.

Thanks for the comprehensive vehicle reports! I would very much like to know how many thousands of kilometers you need to change the timing belt on the Vesta engine? There is an opinion that on the Priorov 126th engine, if not replaced after 45 thousand kilometers, this is a disaster. And on new (after 2013) cars of the VAZ family with 16-valve engines, is such a replacement necessary in principle?

AR: The Vesta engine with the index 21129 is a further modernization of the Prior engine. The frequency of replacement of the updated drive belt He has a timing belt (according to the factory instructions) every 180 thousand kilometers.

Bekleshov Alexey Borisovich

How well do Vesta's rear passenger air ducts work? Do the feet of those who sit on rear seats during the cold season? The problem is relevant, since, for example, in the Grant, the passengers in the back freeze.

AR: Vesta really has air ducts for the legs of the rear passengers, brought out under the front seats. There is airflow, and so far it is enough. But is it enough for hard frost— while it is difficult to say, the winter will show.

Sviridov Konstantin Vladimirovich

Like Andrei Neverov, I don’t like the lack of Xray backlight in the daytime mode. running lights. Are there ways to activate the backlight and does AvtoVAZ plan to solve this problem?

AR: The instrument panel illumination mode has recently appeared. We changed the ECU firmware, and now the instrument panel lights up constantly, changing only the brightness in the Day-Night modes.

Lyapunov Evgeny Andreevich

Interested in soundproofing in the wheel arches of Vesta. As many write in the reviews, if it rained, then you will instantly have water there (the foam will absorb everything). So I wonder if this thing will rot there?

AR:"Felt" wheel arch liners are also used today on many foreign cars. They protect the wheel arches from noise and sandblasting. Water penetrates into such wheel arch liners, but rather quickly flows down them and dries up. And due to the fact that the fenders themselves breathe well, the arches under them are better ventilated and rot less.

In our case, there is not even a hint of corrosion under them.

Matveev Anton Vladimirovich

On the forums, West owners often complain about the creak of the stabilizer bushings and the knock of the stabilizer struts, the knock in the rear pillar supports. How are things going with this on the test machines? I would also like to know about the glasses - whether they scratch quickly.

AR: Vesta's suspension from the very beginning was distinguished by its noisy character. But neither the knock of the rear pillars, nor the creak of the stabilizer bushings, we have not fixed.

Turkish glass is really soft: the door windows are scratched from constant lowering, and the windshield has traces of abrasive wear, although Vesta did not drive at all in the stream.

Classic. Airat recently bought new xray with engine 1.6 (106 hp). Immediately at the dealership, the manager offered to do chip tuning. Airat agreed to the question "Whose firmware?" the manager walked away for a couple of minutes and then returned with a piece of paper on which "ADACT" was written by hand (by the way, the client was denied a test drive right away).

Has Xray changed for the better after the chip tuning? No. The car also twitched when you press and release the gas, at the moment of starting and shifting gears. There was no noticeable difference in acceleration with the air conditioner on. Because the calibration quality of this particular engine from all well-known developers leaves much to be desired (we are talking only about 1.6 106 hp). Almost all calibrations are performed by eye, without long-term testing (corrections, improvements) on cars.

For this engine 2 years ago we released our own tuning, which was tested and upgraded for 4 months. We got really high-quality calibrations for the 1.6 engine, for which we are not ashamed.

First of all, Ildar made a diagnosis of the motor. Then he considered the installed "tuning" and opened it in the editor. If this ECU is written via the OBDII connector, then it can only be read when connected directly to the ECU. It turned out that tuning was installed not from ADACT, but from Paulus. And for some reason, the Euro 2 variant was installed, although there were no complaints about the operation of the catalyst and the second DC (the car is completely new).

After installing signature tuning from Athletic Motors, Airat and I made a test drive.

The result is no jolts at start and gear changes, acceleration became noticeably faster from low revs even with the air conditioner on. The dealer warranty is fully preserved, as the control keys of the factory firmware are copied.

On the same day, Airat sent a review about the chip tuning:

"06/12/2018 I decided to reflash my XRAY 1.6 106. Thanks to the guys, everything was done professionally, well done. The car became different, the jerks when resetting and accelerating the gas disappeared, the gear changes are much softer. lost. We will continue to observe. Thanks again. Best regards, Airat."

Unfortunately, such cases (correction of engine operation after poor-quality chip tuning) occur quite often. The most affected cars are B, C class, as well as small crossovers. The most dangerous thing is not quality chip tuning on some models can cause sudden engine shutdown while driving.

Friends, before you start tuning or servicing a car, carefully study what software (or parts) is used, what is its origin (many fakes both in software and various parts or materials), what reputation and experience this or that specialist has ( organizations) in this area.

Performed chip tuning of the next Lada Xray with engine 1.6 106 hp With mechanical box gears.

The owner of the car set us the following tasks - to eliminate jerks and pauses when pressing or releasing the gas pedal, to add traction from low revs, to eliminate the loss of traction when the air conditioner is on, to keep the dealer warranty. All the shortcomings of serial firmware are associated with artificial limitations in engine power due to strict environmental standards, and high-quality chip tuning allows them to be eliminated without reducing engine life.

Since Xray is built on the B0 (Sandero) platform, it has a diagnostic connector in the glove compartment. We connect our professional equipment to it and proceed to the diagnosis of all engine systems. In this case, the motor and its sensors in in perfect order power can and should be increased.

The engine control unitM86 (ITELMA) is under the hood and the process of reading or writing a program occurs with a direct connection of our equipment to the ECU connector.

In order not to scratch the car body, we put on a protective cape and proceed to identify the installed factory firmware. Next, we find the same firmware in our database, but already in the tuning version, and proceed to write a new program to the ECU.

For best result as a tuning firmware, a proprietary calibration from Athletic Motors is installed, built on the basis of tuning from the developer Paulus with full preservation of the dealer warranty due to copying the control keys of the factory program. The main differences between the Athletic Motors firmware and the basic tuning option are that it pulls even better from low revs, the gas pedal works faster and smoother, there is no detonation in any engine operating modes.

During the first test run, Khrey's owner immediately liked the result! According to him, the car accelerates faster already at 1500-2000 rpm, the motor immediately reacts to pressing the gas pedal, jerks disappeared when releasing gas and shifting gears. In the summer, turning on the air conditioner will not cause dips in speed and loss of traction, with a calm driving style, fuel consumption will decrease by 5-10%. The increase in power and torque was + 10%! Now the motor develops 115-120 hp. (depending on the quality of the fuel) and about 160 Nm of torque.

Similar work is being done with the 1.8 122 hp engine. On cars with AMT, we managed to make the robot work faster and smoother, without noticeable jerks when accelerating or braking.

Worked on tuning firmware for Lada Xray with 1.8 engine (21179) and manual transmission. The owner of the car wanted to eliminate jerks and pauses when pressing and releasing the gas pedal, to speed up the acceleration of the car.

As for the 1.6 (106) engine, Ildar managed to upgrade the basic calibrations of the tuning firmware from the developer Paulus in a special professional software. The program is recorded through the connector of the ECU itself, parsing the unit is not required.

The main changes and improvements in tuning from Athletic Motors:

1) Torque on low revs became even more
2) The motor responds smoothly and quickly to pressing or resetting the gas pedal (there will also be no power loss when the air conditioner is on)
3) UOZ (ignition timing) adapted to the local AI-95 (there will be no detonation even in the heat with the air conditioner on)

Otherwise, the changes regarding the factory firmware are implemented by Paulus, as always, at a high, decent level. The dealer warranty is fully preserved by copying the control keys of the factory firmware.

Owner Khrey's impressions after several hundred kilometers on our firmware (screenshot attached):

“Yes, of course, after the firmware, the car became noticeably faster. Without delay began to respond to pressing the gas pedal. Gone were the dips when shifting gears quickly, and at idle the engine just purred. Nothing is clear about the consumption yet, the weather is not flying ... "

It is clear that any new car upon entering the market, from time to time it begins to “please” with all sorts of surprises. It is not for nothing that manufacturers modify “raw” cars right at the height of sales. But the situation is different - the Togliatti auto giant has never been distinguished by high-quality assembly and a long service life of its products, so it makes no sense to find fault with them, in general. If not for a loud novelty, but not anyhow, but the first in history domestic brand"crossover" (read - hatchback), which the Volga residents presented so pretentiously and beautifully that they got sick of looking at foreign cars. But did he reach their level?

SCREAMING SMALL

In order to understand what it is worth preparing for when purchasing an XRAY, we talked with the owners of these machines on the XrayClub.ru profile forum. Tellingly, the “ladies” are mostly cars, although some operational moments still cause dissatisfaction. For example, "crickets" and extraneous sounds in the cabin: most often the creak in the glove compartment, on the left side of the dashboard and in the area of ​​\u200b\u200bthe driver's door worries. The reasons lie in poorly fixed plastic panels. After strengthening them, everything falls into place, and the sounds disappear.

RIDE ON THE WAVES

A lot of claims from the drivers of "Xrey" arise to rear pillars. On the unevenness of the roadway, the car jumps like a frog - passengers of the second row feel especially uncomfortable, who risk inadvertently getting rid of recently eaten food and leaving dents in the ceiling. In addition, on the transverse waves of asphalt, the car has to be constantly caught by taxiing. The way out of the situation is found by replacing the standard gas racks with oil ones.

WE NEED A TOP UP

No less critical in some cases is the need to add oil to the engine. For some, for 1000 km of run, it eats up almost all the lubricant, while others are topped up after every thousand from 400 to 600 grams of liquid. And regardless of the engine installed on the car. However, there are those who do not face such a problem at all. Dealers, on the fact of the appeal, get off with standard phrases: they say, it should be so, and the “oil burner” is just a consequence of the engine running in.

howl wolf

If you are considering buying an Xray with a manual, then get ready for the fact that, among other things, it will remind you of itself with an unpleasant howl. This happens when starting from a standstill and at the moment of switching from first gear to second, until the engine speed reaches the two thousandth mark. Apparently, this sore will remain ineradicable for the VAZ people. And the owners also scold the twitching of the gearbox when driving with a cold engine. True, owners of cars with a mileage of more than 15,000 km assure that jerks and howls will disappear over time.

WE DO NOT SMALL

Among other features of the car, it is worth highlighting a squeak in the steering rack when entering a turn, glare from the front panel on windshield and overly small mud flaps that perform nothing more than a decorative function. In addition, the floor is covered with non-rubberized carpet: rain-snow-dirt - and

In fairness, it is impossible to call XRAY a failed car for VAZ. And the 16,000 vehicles planned for this year will be sold. But, honestly, this is not the circulation that you should be proud of.

In the serial incarnation XRAY appeared last December. Even then, criticism was pouring in that the appearance of the car had little in common with the previously shown prototype. Where is that lightness and swiftness of the image? There is no her. However, against the background of the donor in the face Renault Sandero Stepway, the domestic crossover looks very personal. He especially suits red.

Initially, the salon makes an extremely positive impression. Here, a multifunctional steering wheel is comfortable to grip, climate control with a display, and tasteful seat upholstery. But, after sitting, you understand that Xray has room to grow: the chairs borrowed from Sandero are uncomfortable (Vest’s “furniture” is much better), there is nowhere to attach a smartphone, and it would not be superfluous to build a makeup mirror into both visors.

But visibility is good - you can see everything from the driver's seat. I will only criticize the image from the rear view camera: the monitor is pretty glare even in low light. But advanced navigation, which is capable of leading along the route, taking into account traffic jams, does not allow you to abandon the multimedia system. And sometimes she does it no worse than the popular and free application for smartphones "Yandex.Navigator"!

XRAY became the first car of the brand, for which the latest 1.8-liter 16-valve VAZ-21179 is available. It has solid power (122 hp) and torque (170 Nm) to its credit. So, I expected a lot from the dynamics of the top version.

But, as the classic said, young men have hopes. That's what mine didn't work out. The potential of the motor is ruined by the obstinate automatic transmission (AMT): hitches, pecks when switching ... Against the background of smooth and predictable hydromechanical automatic transmissions, the AMT transmission seems to be a fiend. Even I, a calm driver, now and then went berserk from these delays and jerks. And I also didn’t like that the car does not go after standing and releasing the brake pedal. XRAY will roll only in response to pressing the accelerator. In traffic jams wildly uncomfortable!

Upset and smoothness. Lada regularly collects all small things on the road and bounces on bumps with a larger caliber. But there are no complaints about the energy intensity of the suspension - it does not come to breakdowns. But where the beating is felt, it's on the steering wheel. You will drive for five minutes on broken asphalt, you will be completely exhausted. And it would be nice if the reward for this shaking was verified handling - it’s not. In the corners, the XRAY is unsophisticated, reluctantly rises to the arc and does not indulge in informative feedback.

But outside the asphalt, XRAY moves quite confidently - good geometric cross helps (minimum ground clearance- 195 mm!) And good engine thrust at low speeds. By the way, the slope retention system also came in handy. A test car from the first batch - this means that you cannot turn off the ESP - this function was not enough in the mud. However, since this autumn, Togliatti has made a number of improvements to the Ixrey design, including the installation of an ESP deactivation button. Such a prompt response to the wishes of buyers can only be welcomed.

Lada Xray.Vibrations during acceleration and deceleration

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Lada Xray.The indicator of lack of a charge of the rechargeable battery burns

Lada Xray.The voltage of the car's on-board network is above 15.1

Lada Xray. Generator noise

Lada Xray. The low battery indicator does not light up

Lada Xray.The battery charge indicator does not light up when the ignition is turned on and does not light up when the engine is running. The voltage of the vehicle's on-board network is below 14.4 Volts

Lada Xray.When you press the gas pedal all the way to the floor, the kickdown mode does not turn on