If you are going to buy or already own a car with a robotic preselective DSG gearbox or S-tronic, then, for sure, you have already heard about the different sides of these units, both positive and negative. It cannot be said unequivocally that DSG- evil and it is necessary to avoid cars with this type of checkpoint.
DSG (from German. DirectSchaltGetriebe or English. Direct Shift gear box) - a family of preselective robotic transmissions with dual clutches installed on cars of the VAG concern (Audi, Volkswagen, Skoda, Seat). In a general sense, users are used to dividing these boxes into 6-speed (DSG6) and 7-speed (DSG7), as well as gearboxes with dry and wet clutches. The classification is generally correct, but there are a number of nuances that should be considered when choosing a car, since not everything is as simple as it might seem.
How is S-tronic Audi different from Volkswagen/Skoda/Seat DSG? - Nothing, except for the longitudinally located boxes 0B5, 0CK / 0CL and 0CJ, which are installed only on Audi.
You could also hear the terrible word Mechatronic (Mechatronic) aka valve body. What is mechatronics and how do they differ? Mechatronic - electronic-hydraulic gearbox control unit. Perhaps the most important, but at the same time the most unreliable node in the entire transmission. Each type of DSG has its own type of mechatronics. Mechatronics from various types DSGs are not interchangeable. Moreover, for some types of DSG, there are several generations of mechatronics, which also differ from each other. And for each type and generation of mechatronics, there are many versions of software designed for various engines and different gear ratios in the gearbox. In some cases, mechatronics of the same type can be reprogrammed (reflashed) for installation on different cars.
There is no definite answer to this question, which DSG is more reliable. Each type of DSG has its own advantages and disadvantages. The life expectancy of any DSG largely depends on its operating conditions: all DSGs do not like overheating, especially DSGs with dry clutches, in which the mechatronics has a separate oil circuit and there is no cooling. Those who spend several hours every day in traffic jams are more likely to come to replace the mechatronics than those who mainly drive long distances on the highway. For those who like to "ignite", the probability of getting to replace the clutch and differential is much higher than for those who prefer a quiet ride.
So, there are 7 main variations of DSG robots (including S-tronic):
1 - DSG7 (0AM/0CW) DQ200 (dry clutches) ( )
- Production L.U.K.;
- Withstands maximum torque up to 250 Nm (front-wheel drive only);
- The volume of aggregated engines: 1.2 - 1.8 l;
0AM applied to: Audi: A1, A3 (8P - until 2013), TT; VW: Golf 6, Jetta, Polo, Passat, Passat CC, Scirocco, Touran, Ameo; Skoda: Octavia (1Z - until 2013), Yeti, Superb, Fabia, Roomster, Rapid; Seat: Altea, Leon (1P - until 2013), Toledo.
0CW was placed on: Audi: A3 (8V - since 2013), Q2; VW: Golf 7, Passat (since 2015), Touran (since 2016), T-Roc; Skoda: Octavia (5E - since 2013), Rapid (diesel since 2013), Karoq; Seat: Leon (5F - since 2013).
2 - DSG6 (02E/0D9) DQ250 (wet clutch) ( )
- Manufactured by Borg-Warner;
- Withstands maximum torque up to 350 Nm (front and all-wheel drive);
- The volume of aggregated engines: 1.4 - 3.2 l;
02E was installed on: Audi: A3 (8P - until 2013), TT, Q3; VW: Golf, Passat, Touran, Scirocco, Sharan, Tiguan; Skoda: Octavia (1Z - until 2013), Yeti, Superb; Seat: Altea, Leon (1P - until 2013), Toledo, Alhambra.
0D9 was installed on: Audi: A3 (8V - from 2013), Q2; VW: Golf 7, Passat (since 2015), Touran (since 2016); Skoda: Octavia (5E - since 2013), Kodiaq; Seat: Leon (5F - since 2013), Ateca.
3 - DSG7 (0BT/0BH/0DL) DQ500 (wet clutch) ( )
- Production L.U.K.;
- Withstands maximum torque up to 600 Nm (front and all-wheel drive);
- The volume of aggregated engines: 2.0 - 2.5 l;
0BT/0BH applied to: Audi: Q3, RS3, TTRS; VW: Transporter/Multivan/Caravelle, Tiguan.
0DL was placed on: VW: Arteon, Passat (since 2017), Tiguan (since 2016); Skoda: Kodiaq.
4 - DSG7 (0GC) DQ381 (wet clutch) ( )
- Production L.U.K.;
- Withstands maximum torque up to 420 Nm (front and all-wheel drive);
0GC was placed on: Audi: A3 (since 2017), Q2; VW: Arteon, Golf (since 2017), Passat (since 2017), T-Roc; Skoda: Karoq; Seat: Ateca.
5 - DSG7 (S-tronic) (0B5) DL501 (wet clutch) ( )
- Joint development by Audi and Borg-Warner;
- Withstands maximum torque up to 550 Nm (all-wheel drive);
- The volume of aggregated engines: 2.0 - 4.2 l;
0B5 was placed on: Audi: A4 (until 2015), A5, A6, A7, Q5, RS4, RS5.
6 - DSG7 (S-tronic) (0CK) DL382-7F / (0CL) DL382-7Q (wet clutches) ( )
- New Audi development;
- There are two versions for front wheel drive with the letter F at the end and with the letter Q for all-wheel drive;
- The volume of aggregated engines: 1.4 - 3.0 l;
0CK/0CL was set to: Audi: A4 (8W - from 2016), A6 (from 2011), A7 (from 2016), Q5 (from 2013).
7- DSG7 (S-tronic) (0CJ) (wet clutch) ( )
- New Audi development;
- Designed for Ultra Quattro all-wheel drive, with electromechanical clutch;
- Withstands maximum torque up to 400 Nm;
- The volume of aggregated engines: 2.0 l;
In order for you to understand how often, what kind of oil and in what volume it is necessary to fill in the DSG (S-tronic), we have given the table below:
| DSG model | Oil in the gearbox itself | Additional oil | Replacement |
|---|---|---|---|
DSG-7 | Butter G 052 512 | oil in mechatronics |
Provides services for changing the oil in the S-tronic gearbox.
Briefly about S-tronic
S-tronic is robotic, the manufacturers themselves call it automatic with a sports accent, a box DSG gear(Direct Shift Gearbox) from the German automaker VAG, installed on Audi cars, in particular Audi A3, Audi A4, Audi A5, Audi A7, Audi Q5 and others. The system received such a symbolic name because all automatic gearboxes for Audi are designated using the word -tronic. Technically, it is based on a six-speed mechanical transmission, a feature of which is the presence of two clutches and direct gear shifting.
Do I need to change the oil in S-tronic?
In a six-speed DSG-6 gearbox, oil circulates throughout the entire internal volume. Its discs gradually wear out, and their smallest particles gradually contaminate the oil. The mechanical cleaning filter present in oil system also gets dirty over time. That is why oil, as well as oil filter must be changed periodically. After all, the service life of the unit directly depends on the quality of the oil.
When and what should be changed in the S-tronic transmission?
The S-tronic has two filters. The first one is internal. Its replacement is carried out together with the pan gasket when it is removed. The second is external, located on the cooling line (in cars until 2010, it is represented by a pressure line with a filter). Ideally, when both filters are changed.
As for oils, there are also two of them. One of them is present in front of the box, mechatronics and clutch. Experts recommend replacing it every sixty thousand kilometers along with filters. The second is the oil of the mechanical rear and front differential. It is believed that it is designed for the entire period of service of the node. Some owners also change it, but much less often than the first.
What kind of oil is poured into S-tronic?
classical transmission fluid not suitable for S-tronic transmission. It uses original ATF oil for DSG.
Features of changing the oil in the S-tronic gearbox
Although changing the oil is not a technically difficult procedure, it is best to have it done by a professional in a specialized service center. Only there they will be able to ensure the high quality of work and compliance with all the subtleties of the operation.
An oil change begins by draining the old working fluid. The pallet is dismantled and carefully inspected for the presence of sediment. Then it is cleared. The gasket is being replaced. Filters change. With the help of special equipment, new original oil. Only the use of professional equipment allows you to achieve complete replacement oil and compliance with the required volume of fluid. After assembly, the oil level and system operation in all modes are checked. The process of adapting the box to the new oil is also carried out using special dealer equipment.
Question 001:Q: What is DSG? What are DSGs? What is the difference? What cars are installed?
A:DSG ( from him. DirectSchaltGetriebe or English. Direct Shift Gearbox) - a family of preselective robotic transmissions with dual clutches, installed on cars of the VAG concern (Audi, Volkswagen, Skoda, Seat).
| Type | Clutch | Engine location | Engine volumes | Drive unit | Moment | On which car models is it installed |
| DSG70AM (DQ200) | "dry" | transverse | 1.2 -1.8 | front | 250nm | Audi: A1, A3 (8P - until 2013), TT; VW: Golf6, Jetta, Polo, Passat, Passat CC, Scirocco, Touran, Ameo; Skoda: Octavia (1Z - until 2013), Yeti, Superb, Fabia, Roomster, Rapid; Seat: Altea, Leon (1P - until 2013), Toledo. |
| DSG6 02E (DQ250) | "wet" | transverse | 1.4 - 3.2 | front/full | 350Nm | Audi: A3(8P - until 2013), TT, Q3; VW: Golf, Passat, Touran, Scirocco, Sharan, Tiguan; Skoda: Octavia (1Z - until 2013), Yeti, Superb; Seat: Altea, Leon (1P - until 2013), Toledo, Alhambra. |
| DSG7 0B5 (DL501) | "wet" | longitudinal | 2.0 - 4.2 | full | 550Nm | Audi: A4 (until 2015), A5, A6, A7, Q5, RS4, RS5. |
| DSG7 0BT/0BH (DQ500) | "wet" | transverse | 2.0 - 2.5 | front/full | 600Nm | Audi: Q3, RS3, TTRS; VW: Transporter/Multivan/Caravelle, Tiguan. |
| DSG7 0CW (DQ200) | "dry" | transverse | 1.2 - 1.8 | front | 250nm | Audi: A3(8V - since 2013), Q2; VW: Golf7, Passat (since 2015), Touran (since 2016); T-Roc. Skoda: Octavia (5E - from 2013), Rapid (from 2013), Karoq, Scala (from 2019); Seat: Leon (5F - since 2013). |
| DSG6 0D9 (DQ250) | "wet" | transverse | 1.4 - 2.0 | front/full | 350Nm | Audi: A3(8V - since 2013), Q2; VW: Golf7, Passat (since 2015), Touran (since 2016) ; Skoda: Octavia (5E - since 2013), Kodiaq; Seat: Leon (5F - since 2013), Ateca. |
| DSG70DL (DQ500) | "wet" | transverse | 2.0 | front/full | 600Nm | VW: Arteon, Passat (since 2017), Tiguan (since 2016) ; Skoda: Kodiaq. |
| DSG70GC (DQ381) | "wet" | transverse | 2.0 | front/full | 420Nm | Audi: A3 (since 2017), Q2; VW: Arteon, Golf (since 2017), Passat (since 2017); T-Roc. Skoda: Karoq; Seat: Ateca. |
| DSG7 0CK (DL382-7F) | "wet" | longitudinal | 1.4 - 3.0 | front | 400nm | Audi: A4(8W - from 2016), A6(from 2011), A7(from 2016), Q5(from 2013). |
| DSG7 0CL (DL382-7Q) | "wet" | longitudinal | 2.0 - 3.0 | full | 400nm | Audi: A4(8W - since 2016). |
| DSG7 0СJ | "wet" | longitudinal | 2.0 | full (Ulta Quattro, with electromechanical clutch) |
400nm |
Audi: A4(8W - since 2016). |
1. DSG with "dry" clutches, as a rule, are installed on less powerful engines, because. able to "digest" a smaller moment.
2. If you have four-wheel drive, then you have "wet" clutches.
3. If you have a DSG and a motor "along", then you have an Audi :-)
4. Apparently, the age of the legendary Audi Quattro all-wheel drive with the famous Torsen differential is coming to an end..
Question 002:
Q: How can I find out which box is installed on my car?
A: Option 1: Connect the diagnostic tool to the vehicle, go to block 02 - Gearbox electronics and read the identification data. The first three characters of the box and mechatronic identifiers identify your box.
For example: 0AM 300049H - seven-speed DSG with "dry" clutches type 0AM. Or 02E 300051R - six-speed DSG with "wet" clutches type 02E, etc.
Option 2: Look up the vehicle's VIN code in the ETKA electronic parts catalog.
Option 3: Send the vehicle VIN to our address, we will check and send you a reply.
Question 003:
Q: How is S-tronic for Audi different from DSG for Volkswagen / Skoda / Seat?
A:Nothing. With the exception of boxes 0B5, 0CK / 0CL and 0CJ which are installed only on Audi.
Question 004:
Q:What oil is poured into the DSG?
A:For convenience, we have formulated the answer in the form of a table:
| Type | Butter | Change interval (manufacturer's recommendation) |
| DSG70AM (DQ200) | |
for the entire service life |
| DSG6 02E (DQ250) | Refueling volumes: up to 6.9l - full filling up to 5.5l - oil change Filter element: 02E 305 051 C |
60 000 |
| DSG70B5 | Gearbox oil DSG G 052 529 up to 7.5l - full filling up to 6.7l - oil change Filter element: 0B5 325 330 A |
60 000 |
| DSG7 0BT/0BH (DQ500) | Gearbox oil DSG G 052 182 up to 7.6 - full refueling up to 6.0l - oil change Filter element: 0BH 325 183 B |
60 000 |
| DSG7 0CW (DQ200) | In the box: Gearbox oil G 052 512 - 1.9l In mechatronics: Hydraulic oil G 004 000 - 1l |
for the entire service life |
| DSG7 0D9 (DQ250) | Contents: Gearbox oil DSG G 052 182 Refueling volumes: up to 6.9l - full filling up to 5.5l - oil change Filter element: 02E 305 051 C In dispenser: G 052 145 - 0.9l |
60 000 |
| DSG70DL (DQ500) | Contents: Gearbox oil DSG G 052 182 Filter element: 0BH 325 183 B In handout: G 052 145 | 60 000 |
| DSG70GC (DQ381) | ATF oil: G 055 529 | 60 000 |
| DSG7 0CK (DL382-7F) | ATF oil: G 055 549 A2 4.35l - full filling 3.5l - oil change |
60 000 |
| DSG7 0CL (DL382-7Q) | ATF oil: G 055 549 A2 4.35l - full filling 3.5l - oil change Oil MTF: G 055 529 A2 - 3.8l |
60 000 |
Q:What is mechatronics?
A:Mechatronics (mechatronik, mechatron, valve body, brain) - electronic-hydraulic gearbox control unit. Perhaps the most important, but at the same time the most unreliable node in the entire transmission.
Question 006:
Q:How are mechatronics different?
A:Each type of DSG has its own type of mechatronics. Mechatronics from different DSG types are not interchangeable. Moreover, for some types of DSG, there are several generations of mechatronics, which also differ from each other. And for each type and generation of mechatronics, there are many versions of software designed for different engines and different gear ratios in the gearbox. In some cases, mechatronics of the same type can be reprogrammed (reflashed) for installation on different cars. You can read more about the firmware.
Question 007:
Q:Which DSG is better/more reliable?
A:There is no single answer to this question. Each type of DSG has its own advantages and disadvantages. And the duration of the "life" of any DSG largely depends on the conditions of its operation, such as:
- Ambient temperature. All DSGs do not like overheating, especially DSGs with "dry" clutches, in which the mechatronics have a separate oil circuit and there is no cooling.;
- Driving mode. Those who spend several hours every day in traffic jams are more likely to come to replace the mechatronics than those who mainly drive long distances on the highway;
- Driving style. Those who like to "give a corner" and "light it up at a traffic light" are much more likely to get to replace the clutch and differential than those who prefer a quiet ride.
Question 008:
Q: I have DSG7 0AM.Do I need to switch the selector to neutral when standing at a traffic light or in a traffic jam?
A: No need.Unlike conventional manual gearboxes, the DSG7 0AM has a normally open clutch. And it closes only when the mechatronics begins to push the clutch release rods. When you (or auto-hold) hold the car in place by depressing the brake, the mechatronics clutch rods are retracted and the clutches are disengaged. Accordingly, no load is transferred to the gearbox or clutch. What position the selector lever is in is not important.
Question 009:
Q: Over time, jerks appeared when shifting gears. Previously, the car drove normally, the shifts were smooth, but recentlythere were jerks and bumps when shifting gears. Can this be fixed by reprogramming the box ECU (software update)?
A: No you can't. The software cannot "spoil" over time and cause the CP to malfunction. If the car previously drove correctly, and then stopped, then the problem lies in the hardware, and not in the software.
Reprogramming the mechatronics can only help if you changed the mechatronics and installed the unit with the wrong software. You can read more about reprogramming.
Question 010:
Q:How to find out the software version in mechatronics?
Question 011:
Q: The DSG7 shift knob is locked in the P position, how do I unlock it in order to shiftbox in neutral?
A: Brief instructions for unlocking the DSG7 0AM selector.
Question 012:
Q: Will changing the oil in the DSG7 0AM (0CW) mechatronics help remove the "kicks" on gear shifts?
A: No, it won't help. Such malfunctions are eliminated by repairing the hydraulic part of the mechatronics. In the initial stages, adaptation (basic installation) can help, but rather as an exception than a rule.
Question 014:
Q: After replacing the DSG7 0AM mechatronics, the errors "06247 P1867 - Drive data bus - no messages from the steering column electronics - J527" and "06227 P1853 Drive data bus - invalid message from the ABS control unit" hang in the event recorder. How to remove them?
A:It is necessary to reset information about the installed components (steering column switches, electric parking brake, etc.). To do this, you need to do the basic installation on channel 69. After the basic installation is done, the errors will go from the "permanent" state to the "sporadically" state and can be cleared.
When using VCDS software (VAG-COM, VASYA-Diagnost, etc.):
"02-KP Electronics" -> "Basic parameters - 04" -> In the "Group" field, enter the value 69 -> Click "Read".
When using the softwareVAS-PC:
"Self-diagnosis" ->"02-Gearbox electronics" -> "006-Basic setting"-> In the "Group" field, enter the value 69 -> Press "Q".
When using the softwareODIS:
"Self-diagnosis" ->"02-KP Electronics" ->"Basic installation" ->Enter the value 69 -> Press "Channel Selection".
After completing the basic installation, clear the event recorder.
Question 015:
Q:Structurally, DSG7 0AM and DSG7 0CW are practically the same transmissions (DQ200 family), is there any difference between the mechatronics installed on them?
A:The main difference is the physical and software changes in the electronic control board. In particular, the 0CW boards are linked to the car's immobilizer system. You can read more about the differences in mechatronics 0AM and 0CW.